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Saturday, May 31, 2008

Marvel 1985 - Art & Discussion

I am on the fence about this latest Marvel event, 1985. I am not sure what it is or what to expect of it, but the press releases are starting to come in, so I can tell you that it's written/coordinated by Mark Millar (Civil War) and it apparently has to do with either revising historical events in the Marvel Universe that unfolded in/around 1985 or recounting them.

I'm thinking it's more the former than the latter, because the first real PR I got for it has lines like "Millar lays down the foundation for things to come" - which means I am not going to like it.

We've been discussing continuity and so forth here lately - and it's a big topic throughout Comicdom right now - thanks to the One More Day debacle, but if this
is what I think it is, it's tantamount to blasphemy! The 1980s were Marvel's real "Golden Age" - and I don't mean that by way of collectors' terms - or maybe I should say "Golden Years" to avoid confusion.

Let's face it: by all accounts, the 1970s blew all the way around, but the 1980s were a watershed era in comics - specifically for Marvel. Even excepting the Epic line (which we really shouldn't, because it alone made the 1980s for Marvel, but since a lot of the properties and products had little to do with the MU, we can ignore it for this discussion), Marvel really developed in the 1980s; the Universe was basically created in the '60s (overlooking the characters and their incarnations that were built-upon but already existed [Cap, Namor, etc.]), but it was cemented in the '80s.

Now we have an entire event that "explores remote and familiar corners of the Marvel Universe in ways that only the man behind such past blockbuster series could" (from the PR). And while I think I would enjoy this event if it were basically a retelling of a
ccepted, historical stories - say, the Dark Phoenix Saga as seen by the Watcher or Rick Jones' version of events retelling the Gray Hulk run - I am going to pretend like this whole thing never happened if it starts ret-conning and revising everything that we know of the Marvel Universe.

If 1985 actually did what a project like this should do - further develop and cohere the events that took place during that time, explaining and solidifying continuity that exists to this day (except for Spidey) - then it would be the must-have collectible for every Marvel Zombie. This would be the real, definitive, bookend for all serious fans: the Alpha and the Omega of the Marvel Universe. And a project like that would sell-out before it ever went to press! That would sell-out at the fricking announcement!

Think about that:

If 1985 basically filled-in continuity concerns and definitively said, "This is what actually happened, this is when it happened, and everything else stemming from these events now makes that much more sense," every Marvel fan would be lined-up around the block to get their hands on every issue involved in this because it would answer all the long-standing "No-Prize" questions that have niggled us for decades. AND every non-fanboy would be lined-up around the block because this would be the definitive "jumping-on" point for the entire Marvel line!

I'm interested in seeing how this plays-out, but my first impression is that it's a prosaic attempt to "recapture" some of the quality of those stories and that era, in general - which is a convoluted way of saying, "it's a cheap marketing ploy to move units."

This month's CBG echoed my own sentiments
in basically every article concerning the whole "event" marketing strategy currently running amok throughout the The Big Two - you can tell this has been the watercooler topic in the offices. Further, they echoed the things I have said about the industry and the people who run it: they don't know what they're doing! They make the very same mistakes time and time and time, again! They have shoved this entire event thing down our throats, run it into the ground, and worn us out with it. What's worse, none of it has been any good!

With the current reign of mundanity from the Big Two, I think this whole 1985 bit is about as remarkably stupid a move as one could make! I mean, these guys can't manufacture a contemporary crossover event that's worth the overpriced paper on which it's printed, so why are they making one that undoes all the good ones that have passed?

I am pleased to finally say what we all wanted to say in the early 1990s: Image Comics is producing the best comics on the market and everything from the Big Two is basically shit. While there have been some misses here and there, Image is consistently producing one knock-out project after the next; DC and Marvel are not only churning-out product, they are churning-out sub-par product which is seriously damaging long-standing properties by alienating fans, causing a loss of industry buzz among their targeted consumer base.

In other words, Image Comics is finally making-good on their original promise of bringing creator-owned and run, quality comics to the market - comic books aimed at fans of comics - while The Big Two are doing what they've always done: pandering to non-fans in an attempt to move units. Which means Marvel and DC will blow the bottom out of the market, then have a run of quality work in the next decade or so that will not be recognized until years after it's over, which will then cause a resurgence in hobby interest, which they will then reward with a tidal wave of bullshit which will kill said revived interest, ad nauseam.

© C Harris Lynn, 2008

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, if Marvel really wanted to clean up it's continuity, it should probably be "1995". Of course just sorting out the Jean Grey-Dark Phoenix-Madelyne Prior-Goblin Queen mess and the Spiderman-Scarlet Spider-Clone Saga drek alone would likely take them a twenty-five issue limited series.

Manodogs said...

You know, Ernie, the first time we discussed this a few weeks back, you and I both came up with a couple of these conundrums and some nights back, I remembered another - really good one - and it's since slipped my mind.

As for Jean Grey/Phoenix/Dark Phoenix/Rachel Summers/Madelyne Pryor/Goblin Queen, I recall all that, so let me see if I can sum it up for you:

Jean Grey, aka Marvel Girl, died at some point, but was revived as Phoenix (alluding, obviously, to the Greek legend of the bird which rises from the ashes every 500 years or so). She remained the Phoenix for some time before something Starjammerish happened, making her the Dark Phoenix in some alternate timeline or reality that somehow bled-over into current continuity, and she was eventually killed in all forms until she reappeared in X-Factor #1... somehow. As... someone.

Easy-peezy.

Meanwhile, elsewhere... Madelyne Pryor appeared - a dead-ringer for the aforementioned Jean Grey - and she and Scott (Summers, aka Cyclops) hit it off and started knocking boots. Eventually they married and Maddy just up and disappeared at some point - as these dopplegangers are wont to do. This was right around the time X-Factor #1 was released and I figure they just disappeared her so Scott and Jean could get back together and the creators didn't have to be burdened with the necessity of explaining things.

Somewhere around Uncanny #221 or so, when they had all been "killed" and did not appear on film and were living in the Outback (the Reavers' old base), Maddy suddenly reappeared (again, as such characters are wont to do) and - in classic Claremont fashion - started acting all weird and aggressive for no good reason.

Around this issue, Mr. Sinister appeared on a video monitor and either "possessed/infected" Pryor or just had a little Evil-people chat with her (assuming she was already his mole, by this point, which isn't known, since she was fixing the technical equipment at the time and his appearance knocked her out - when she woke up, she was a Super, Mega-, Mega-Biotch).

Sometime thereafter, the Brood re-entered the picture for all of 1-2 issues and may or may not have had something to do with the whole Xtermination saga (was that the name of it?) and she became the Goblin Queen and then she may or may not have been killed and may or may not have been transformed back into Maddy Pryor.

Along this same time, Havok sought-out his former wife, Northstar, who also has a doppleganger running-about somewhere and also had some kind of emotional problems which may or may not have caused her to turn Evil. But that has nothing to do with the very simple, very straightforward, history of Jean Grey/Phoenix/Rachel/Dark Phoenix/Maddy Pryor/Goblin Queen.

OH! And Rachel Summers is actually Scott and Jean's daughter from a Day of Future Past and she walked into some "store" in Uncanny #199-200 and disappeared, only to reappear in Excalibur and then disappear again. But since Days of Future Past never happened, she was never really born, but somehow managed to escape into our contemporary timeline, so she... just does exist. Somehow. Somewhere.

- Ed.

Anonymous said...

Ohhh, so that's what happened it's all so clear now. But, wait a second, I vaguely recall something about Sinister "growing" Maddy in a tube and then programming her to go after Scott and possibly get impregnated because Sinister had some sort of "special interest" in the Summer's genes. Or was that an "alternate reality"?

Manodogs said...

Man, I replied to this three different times yesterday and the frigging dial-up ate them every, single time!

Anyway, I do remember the test-tube-Maddy situation now that you mention it; I think that's the way it was left, wasn't it?

I have basically every issue of that whole X-tinction saga (including the 4-issue Louise Simonson/Jon Bogdanove mini) and that was basically what killed my comics interest.

I was probably around 14-15 at the time and really starting to "discover" girls. Turns out, chicks weren't too impressed with my knowledge of comics and the breadth of my collection. They were somewhat impressed by guys who had money or a car.

In the end, we can say we learned history, math, and mythology from D&D, but comic books taught us simple economics...

Manodogs said...

And neither helped us get laid.

I can't remember the right name of the crossover Event THAT CHANGED THE MARVEL UNIVERSE FOREVER... barely, but I think it was X-termination, not X-tinction.

All my old comics were taped-up back when I moved and I have never opened them, just because. I'm sure I can find out online, but I don't want to spend the 3489786 hours it would take on dial-up, so if no one else responds and I remember to do it, I'll try to find out later this week.

Anonymous said...

Well, now you have seriously piqued my curiosity; so I had to go dig out my old issues. "Inferno" was the storyline where Maddy became the Goblin Queen. Then there was "X-Tinction Agenda", then "X-Cutioner's Song" and I don't really remember what those were all about. Then there was "Fatal Attractions", where Magneto was trying to take over the world (again) and it culminated with him pulling the adamantium out of Wolverine. And pretty much two or three times every year there was another event that CHANGED THE MARVEL UNIVERSE FOREVER.

Manodogs said...

INFERNO!

You are an asset to my blog, Ernie!

It was, indeed, Inferno in which all this happened - or didn't - and THE MARVEL MUTANT UNIVERSE WAS CHANGED FOREVER. In that a basic, minor, supporting character who was just a doppleganger for a popular one may or may not have died. FOREVER. Maybe.

I recall Franklin Richards and Power Pack running around in the Simonson/Bogdanove mini (they were the creative team on PP at the time and I'm pretty sure they were tapped to do this just because PP was a bi-monthly direct which was really sliding off the radar in sales) with Whitey and all that, but the whole things was so forgettable and so obviously forced that the only other thing I remember from all of that was a decent issue of... may have been Spidey, where the lions in front of the library in NY came to life.

I've had one of these industry posts on my mind lately and I'm just kind of waiting for it to really gel. But the whole thrust is warning the younger guys to stay away from all these 52: THE REALLY FINAL CRISIS, NO SERIOUSLY - WE REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME "events."

Unfortunately, I really don't know what to tell them to go for.

The best thing of 2007 was Green Arrow: Year One, but they even managed to make it somehow tie-in to one of those big events they had going on, so I figure half the intended audience missed it completely because they just couldn't afford to shell-out the cash on top of everything else.

Of course, it will be available in TPB before long, so...